Отправлено: 26.11.05 13:51. Заголовок: ИДЕАЛЬНЫЙ КОРАБЛЬ ДЛЯ ЦУСИМЫ - ДЕЖАВЮ

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И РИСУНОК ТРЁХЛЕТНЕЙ ДАВНОСТИ C АРХИВА ФОРУМА:

 Отправлено: 07.12.05 14:09. Заголовок: Re:

Кстати (хотя это не для Цусимы), но вот что вышло по мотивах Ша Юлиня (помнится в глубокой древности упоминал он подобного шипа) Т.к. пошло про рейдеров:
Громобой 2, Россия броненосный крейсер-рейдер laid down 1900 (Engine как у Баяна)
Displacement:
9 188 t light; 9 669 t standard; 10 606 t normal; 11 356 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
462.60 ft / 462.60 ft x 58.07 ft x 25.59 ft (normal load)
141.00 m / 141.00 m x 17.70 m x 7.80 m
Armament:
2 - 7.99" / 203 mm guns in single mounts, 255.24lbs / 115.77kg shells, 1900 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 7.99" / 203 mm guns in single mounts, 255.24lbs / 115.77kg shells, 1900 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
16 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
12 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 3 550 lbs / 1 610 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.98" / 152 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: 5.00" / 127 mm 134.51 ft / 41.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Upper: 5.00" / 127 mm 462.60 ft / 141.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.00" / 127 mm 2.24" / 57 mm -
2nd: 5.00" / 127 mm 2.24" / 57 mm -
3rd: 2.99" / 76 mm - -
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 7.01" / 178 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20 747 ihp / 15 478 Kw = 21.50 kts
Range 7 200nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1 687 tons)
Complement:
522 - 679
Cost:
£1.017 million / $4.068 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 444 tons, 4.2 %
Armour: 2 813 tons, 26.5 %
- Belts: 1 543 tons, 14.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 385 tons, 3.6 %
- Armour Deck: 812 tons, 7.7 %
- Conning Tower: 73 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 2 305 tons, 21.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 626 tons, 34.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 419 tons, 13.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11 196 lbs / 5 078 Kg = 43.9 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 12.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.540
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.97 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.51 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.61 ft / 7.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 23.95 ft / 7.30 m (22.97 ft / 7.00 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Stern: 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Average freeboard: 23.22 ft / 7.08 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.6 %
Waterplane Area: 18 573 Square feet or 1 725 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 502 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 3.69
- Overall: 1.11
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Возьму да изуродую таким образом Громобоя!

 Отправлено: 07.12.05 14:19. Заголовок: Re:

Доп. пояснения:
Короче - шип длиной Громобоя, но неск. уже и легче. Высота надв. борта 7 м по всей длине, в носу - неск. выше (мореходный по самое не хочу!) . Котлы как для Пересвета с 3 башен по типу баяновский
2 пояса длиной целого корпуса, 2-203 мм в пал. установках и 8 (по 4 на борт) в казематахр 16 (по 8 на борту) - 120 мм и 12-75 мм. 21.5 уз. 7200 миль дальности (при 5500 миль - 22 узла).
Пояс 152 мм, оконечности и верхн. пояс - 127 мм, как и казематы и щиты ГК. 2 палубы (в 25 и 37 мм). Скос 60 мм.

 Отправлено: 07.12.05 16:32. Заголовок: Re:

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